Early rules for the new season (Abilities/Skills/Attributes)

[The Chupster]

Hey everyone!

Okay, after some careful deliberation and a lil testing, here's where we are so far. All of this is early days stuff, so drop a line if you have an opinion, but please explain, as I'm gonna try to explain my reasoning on stuff here too, if you would please! Thanks!


First off, regular normal OCW "Common Sense" rule: no superfat luchadores, no ultraskinny super heavyweights. I'm all for suspension of disbelief. If you tell me your guy is a cyborg from the future, I am fucking DOWN with that, but if we just have every genetic freak from here to Timbuk3 flying all over the ring or squashing folks, it's gonna take away from some enjoyment.

That said, pretty much the same rule as always: no drastic weight class changes. I get that sometimes folks will need some stuff reworked, but no super bunches of weight cutting. That said, if a guy just isn't working out and you feel like he needs to be canned if you can't change weight classes 1 level, I'm willing to work with folks on that, though not moving to or from super heavyweight, cuz 4 reals. lol.

Okay, I gave a ton of thought lately to the whole Skills & Abilities bit. Here's what I have.


Abilities: We'll start with 9 levels to work with. That's enough to make guys unique without overpowering anyone severely, and enough to make people think strategically. Yeah, you could get 3 levels of Ruthless Aggression right off the bat, and that'll be great if you're sticking to the X-Violence Division, but in regular matches, you likely just gave someone else 3 heads up on you.

Additionally, guys will be able to earn extra levels, but it isn't going to be anything fast. I don't have a solid number yet, because I don't know how often we'll have shows when we start off, but I was thinking about every 30-40 wins gets you a new level to assign.

I wasn't going to allow folks to start off with managers, but I'm thinking hey, if you're willing to sacrifice a level to get the Mouthpiece ability, I'll let an owner put in a manager as a third, strictly non-wrestling character. If we start running out of space, we'll deal with that down the road.

And of course, no one needs to take Brawl, Taunt, or Stare Down, as they're promo-only abilities, so please don't do that. Thank you!


Skills: ...And here's where it gets messy.

I went through and made 4 lists of all available Skills, divided by weight class. Generally speaking, it goes like this: Cruiserweights are light and speedy but wouldn't be able to make the big impacts, especially in a company where they'll likely be wrestling the bigger guys a good bit. (Y'all know we've always been a mostly-Heavyweight gig.) Light Heavyweights have some more of the power and momentum behind them, but still have that maneuverability. Heavyweights sacrifice some speed and agility for more power. And Super Heavyweights are just big goddamn monsters with little speed and less agility. That said, here's what I put together- basically, what each weight class can choose from Skill-wise (and no, I haven't even looked at the gals yet, and until we have enough ladies for a division, no real point), and as far as I'm concerned everyone can have every Skill in their weight class as long as they don't conflict like several of them do.


Cruiserweight (130-205 lbs):
Skills:
Combo Striker
Second Finisher
Top Rope Diver
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Elimination Chamber Daredevil
Ladder Daredevil
Steel Cage Daredevil
Royal Rumble Finisher
Equip Box Diver
Ladder Jumper
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Springboard Diver
Comeback
Remove the Turnbuckle
Fired Up
OMGs:
Through the Table
Skull Crushing Big Boot
Apron DDT
Ladder Finisher
Outside Superplex
Catching Finisher
Suicide Dive
Apron Superplex
Super Dropkick
Corkscrew Legdrop
Torpedo DDT
Unicorn Stampede
Corner Post Baseball Slide
Locker Superkick Combo
Office Table DDT
Breaker Box Spear
TV Monitor Spear
Top Rope Double Knee


Light Heavyweight (206-240 lbs):
Skills:
Combo Striker
Second Finisher
Top Rope Diver
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Elimination Chamber Daredevil
Ladder Daredevil
Steel Cage Superplex
Steel Cage Daredevil
Royal Rumble Finisher
Equip Box Diver
Ladder Jumper
Table Finisher
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Springboard Diver
Leverage Pin
Comeback
Remove the Turnbuckle
Fired Up
OMGs:
Through the Table
Skull Crushing Big Boot
Apron DDT
Ladder Finisher
Outside Superplex
Catching Finisher
Suicide Dive
King of Swing
Apron Superplex
Super Dropkick
Corkscrew Legdrop
Torpedo DDT
Unicorn Stampede
Corner Post Baseball Slide
Locker Superkick Combo
Office Table DDT
Breaker Box Spear
TV Monitor Spear
Top Rope Double Knee


Heavyweight (241-320 lbs):
Skills:
Combo Striker
Second Finisher
Top Rope Diver
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Ladder Daredevil
Steel Cage Superplex
Steel Cage Daredevil
Royal Rumble Finisher
Equip Box Diver
Table Finisher
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Leverage Pin
Comeback
Hammer Throw
Remove the Turnbuckle
Fired Up
OMGs:
Barricade Breaker
Through the Table
Skull Crushing Big Boot
Apron DDT
Ladder Finisher
Escape Artist
Pod People
Outside Superplex
Double Finisher
Catching Finisher
Suicide Dive
King of Swing
Apron Superplex
Super Dropkick
Corkscrew Legdrop
Powerbomb into a Boston Crab
Unicorn Stampede
Locker Powerbomb
Locker Superkick Combo
Office Table Powerbomb
Office Table DDT
Breaker Box Spear
TV Monitor Spear
Ladder Bridge Powerbomb
Top Rope Double Knee


Super Heavyweight (321-640 lbs):
Skills:
Second Finisher
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Steel Cage Superplex
Royal Rumble Finisher
Table Finisher
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Comeback
Hammer Throw
Remove the Turnbuckle
Fired Up
OMGs:
Barricade Breaker
Through the Table
Skull Crushing Big Boot
Apron DDT
Escape Artist
Pod People
Ring Breaker
Double Finisher
Catching Finisher
King of Swing
Apron Superplex
Powerbomb into a Boston Crab
Unicorn Stampede
Locker Powerbomb
Office Table Powerbomb
Breaker Box Spear
TV Monitor Spear
Ladder Bridge Powerbomb


Okay, that's that. And for the coup de gras:

Attributes:
I'm still kind of thinking about this. Where I'm at right now is, we target an Overall score of 85, with an absolute minimum in any Attribute of 50. I know, they go down to 30, but the next thing you know, someone drops all of their submission stats and movement to 30, uses all the points for power, and boom! We have another unstoppable Lord Odin situation. And I'm fine for people bending the system to make their guys better; that's what we're doing, that's fantasy wrestling in a WWE game environment. But let's not be jackholes about it.

85 with a minimum of 50 in every stat gives everyone plenty of points to customize the shit out of their people without getting some Captain Insano shit going. And by an Overall of 85, I mean you can squeeze in every point you want to right up until your character's Overall hits 86, and then just drop that one extra point. Not "OMG I just barely hit 85," but "as close as you can get to 86 without being 86." It'll take a good bit of trial and error, but do your thang! And have fun with it!

As far as changing Attributes down the line, I'm thinking a maximum of 10 points changed, all at one time, each month. Not 10 Overall, 10 actual Attribute points. And if you take away, say, 10 from 3 different Attributes, but putting just 3 of those into a different Attribute puts you at 86, you'll have to work it around until you're moving 10 points or less and staying at your Overall limit. (I don't know that it would work that way, but I'm pretty sure it could.)


I think that's really about it. That's just about everything I have right now. If you see anything that you don't think is fair, let me know and we'll do what we can to get it worked out! Thanks everyone!

[The Chupster]

And naturally there'll be extra Overall points for Attributes with extra wins, probably like 1 point every 20 wins, or something.

[MattyAC]

Something I've just spotted, which might complicate things.
I was just adjusting Ashley's attributes to best suit the rules we've set, 85 overall. But when I went to readjust the skills from about 10 level 3's down to 4 level 2's and a level 1, my overall rating dropped down from 85 to 81, which meant I could apply more attributes on and get it back up to a 85 overall again.

[The Chupster]

Well shit. Might mean if folks earn an extra Skill down the line, they might have to adjust their attributes to match! Good catch. Also means if folks take some Level 3's they might be shooting themselves in the genital area. lol

[MattyAC]

Damn, decided to go with a Level 3 skill to see if it'd help, sounds like I might have already ruined my guy already xD

[The Chupster]

Eh, ya never know, it could work out! If not, we'll do skill readjustments monthly too, like 1 skill per month or something- it isn't like the skills aren't super difficult-to-learn in real life. I mean, dirty pin = putting your feet on the ropes. Not that hard. LOL

[Mizer]

Shoot I was just thinking about how much I kinda wanted to get back into promoing and efedding again so this is perfect!

Sadly though I only have a PS4. I can easily type up a formula though if that would be acceptable.

[The Chupster]

We can work with a formula, and some kind'a pics maybe, for reference- just in case the versions have differences in the numbers, and if you do the face morphing bit where you morph the points manually.

[Mizer]

Heheh. I'm still as lazy as ever with creations so not much morphing. I do play around a bit with the logos and lettering and stuff so yeah I can provide some pictures.

[Werwulf]

One thing that just crossed my mind, and maybe it should be obvious, but you know how that goes, is there going to be a restricted moves list for sig/finisher moves that appear in the standard moves?

[The Chupster]

I thought about that before, but probably not. While there could be an overabundance of specific moves because of it, from what I've seen I don't think the game just has like set damage for a move- I think if you take any move (whether it's just a punch, a dropkick, a stunner or whatever) as a signature or a finisher, instead of just doing the move's set amount of damage, I think it adds a damage bonus for whatever moves you use. That or sigs and finishers just have their own damage. I'll test it, but I'm pretty sure you could take a straight right punch as a finisher and still put someone down with it instead of just doing regular punch damage.

Plus it would be a beast to try to police movesets. lol

[Werwulf]

Beast is putting it politely! And good deal, I was working on Wulf's moveset and saw some moves that I know are normally finisher/sig only and it got me thinking.

[MattyAC]

That was something I was thinking of recently as well, I think the only place I've seen WWE grade each move has been in MyCareer mode, where the default moves are all Grade D ones, and you have to go in and unlock each category from C to A. If we do need to perhaps limit said moves, we could go of those, but to what Chups said, I don't think there's a big difference in damage for each move now, like it used to be.

[The Chupster]

Yeah, and I'm gonna test this tonight, just to make sure. Gonna give Chupa some really shit finisher and see how that goes. lol

[bandit778]

Question. Is the Mic Attribute going to really be needed or is it going to be a kind of worthless for our needs. If we won't really be needing it should we still keep it at 50? That would be 20 that could be used elsewhere if we drop it to 30. But at the same time we don't want anyone to powerful. I know we want to keep a minimum limit across the board but if there is really no benefit to keep it at 50 should we? I don't know it was just a thought I had when reading what they were for.

[The Chupster]

Yeah, my thinking behind keeping all stats at a 50 minimum was just to keep someone from going apeshit on their stats and ending up an overpowered 'roid monster (as mentioned above, see: Lord Odin). I totally agree that the mic attributes are useless, I was just trying to establish one number to hit across the board.

However, at the same time, points cost more as you go and eat up more of the 85 overall limit. Right now, everything is speculative- none of these rules are set in stone yet. I'll probably do a good bit of testing before we actually get things opened up. After playing with Universe mode a bit, I have a few new ideas that I wanna try out, especially in regards to the attributes.

But I'll detail that in another thread here in a sec. Thanks for the feedback!

[The Chupster]

Edited the skills list to remove Outside Superplex from Super Heavyweights (they can't use them anyway) and Leverage Pin and Locker Superkick Combo, because if you have a super heavyweight that's hitting superkick combos, I think we've officially divorced from reality. Probably. I dunno, I've just never seen the Big Show hit many superkicks. lol